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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 9, 2008 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: gone are the days....

Much like Blade Runner, every year I try to re-listen to a dead show I think is over rated or just don't like period to see what i am missing. last night I dabbled in the DP from oakland 12-16-92. I was looking at the liner notes inside and there was a picture of a ticket stub from this show. It reminded me of a post from a few weeks ago about what we paid for seats. Admission to this show was 23.50.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jan 9, 2008 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

$2.50 in 1967. Acid and reefer at no extra charge.

I remember how pissed off folks were when Bill Graham raised the price from $4 to $5. What a rip.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Jan 9, 2008 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

GOP, right on. I remember attending many shows in SF '67 with three acts, each doing three one hour sets, for the very affordable price of $3.00

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jan 10, 2008 6:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

Of course, that IS 3 million dollars in 2008 script!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jan 9, 2008 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

Blade Runner "overrated"? clearly, sir, you are in jest ...

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 10, 2008 8:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

don't see it, don't get it. never have. I went to film school way back when and we re asked to name our favorite film. 60% said Blade Runner and my jaw hit the floor. Believe me, I try.

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Poster: blacklakelight Date: Jan 10, 2008 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....


Ha, that's how I feel when people say "Blow Up." I just tried that AGAIN, and it was even worse than I remembered. But shit, I don't get the big deal about the Cohen Brothers, either, or Radiohead, or freaking Terri Gross. It's good to be honest, let it all out. You just might be surprised. Like, over the summer I came out and said how much I hate the novel "One Hundred Years of Solitude." Word got around, and next thing you know, all these people were admitting they don't like it, either. They've been made to feel that's tantamount to not liking humanity or something, though, so they join the chorus, "oh, yes, it's so magical, so moving, so wise."

I've never even seen "Blade Runner."

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 10, 2008 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

It's like that great episode of Seinfeld when Everyone loved the English Patient and Elaine hated it and took so much shi*.

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Poster: blacklakelight Date: Jan 10, 2008 9:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....


Right. The thing it took me a looonng time to realize is that it doesn't mean the person is dumb, crazy, or in any way FLAWED for liking/not liking this/that. Preferences can be indicative of wider trends, but not always,and even so it doesn't often matter in the greater scheme of things. Of course this is obvious now, but I used to could be a real opinionated prick about things. Fighting the dude who put on Stone Temple Pilots at a party, that kind of thing.

It's funny, but the band I understand a person's not liking more than any other is the Grateful Dead.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jan 10, 2008 4:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

hey, it's perfectly cool, i happen to be particularly interested in sci-fi, and Blade Runner struck some emotive chord in me that others in the genre did not; for instance, i have always been completely dumbfounded by people's liking for Star Wars; i watched the the first three episodes (incidentally, years after they were in theaters when i finally got tired of everyone saying how great they were and i relented and rented the damn vids); in that same vein, but different art, i never quite understood the Beatles; of course i recognized their influence on popular music, but never cared for the music or purchased any of their albums

by the way, on that Seinfeld episode, are the characters referring to the film or the book? i've never seen the movie, but only because the novel was so utterly moving that there was no way i was going to taint my impression with something out of Hollywood; just curious, thanks for the thread

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 10, 2008 4:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

Arb,I'm actually in the minority. Most people feel it's a classic. I just find it slow and not very interesting. With that said, it's visually striking.

In the seinfeld episode they refer to the film. Elaine's boss makes her sit through it twice. Since the film is 3 hrs long she goes crazy

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 10, 2008 4:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

The English Patient is exceedingly boring. Then again, I thought both Dances with Wolves and Braveheart were shit films, so what do I know?

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Poster: dc2 Date: Jan 9, 2008 10:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

Having been at 5/8/77, after 70 or so concerts, the elevation of energy after Scarlet/Fire on the Mountain and Morning Dew were, by far, the deepest and highest energy I ever witnessed from them. The fact that a lot of people can pick that up on the recording is pretty neat. I was also at 11/6/77, and the Mississippi Half-step and Truckin' were amazing, but, in some very palpable sense, not as transforming. I don't know why.

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Poster: blacklakelight Date: Jan 10, 2008 6:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....


I can believe it. The new (to me anyway) matrix mix I'm playing is live as all hell. It's funny, I never realized how much I used to listen to it until I found myself knowing exactly what was coming next, flubs, licks, banter.

Really cool to hear you caught so many 77's. Have you posted any trips down memory lane? If so, where could I find it/them? If not, please consider? I know I'm not the only one who'd love to hear. Peace.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jan 10, 2008 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

Where is the matrix mix located? I dld the lossless from arrow and I think it is a redo of orignal SBD - can't really hear audience at all - except for an AUD patch.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jan 9, 2008 8:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

Here is what I was paying

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=159584

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 9, 2008 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

$8 for SPAC lawn seats? Highway robbery.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jan 10, 2008 9:28am
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It was very nice lawn

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Jan 9, 2008 8:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

yeah, i revisit 71 alot, and just can't see why people don't dig it. i can. it sure beats the heck out of a lot of other years. one overrated show i never did get what all the hoopla was about was cornell.

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Poster: blacklakelight Date: Jan 9, 2008 10:21am
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That's funny, I've re-listening to Cornell to see what I'm not getting. Not a lot so far, in the context of '77. I've heard the theory that it was one of the most widely circulated and best sounding boards early on, hence the popularity. No idea if there's any truth to that, but I do know that it was one of the best sounding tapes I had for awhile, and I played it all the time my first year at college. Very fond memories of balling this girl who moved into my dorm room after an immeasurably intense roll (pure powder from the lone-star state, never had another come close) while the second set played. A nightly thing. She used to be a ballerina, see, and did this move where. . . .

Shit, I *love* 5-8!

(heh. Back to back second set comparison with 11-6, I can feel it coming on).

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Poster: yesss! Date: Jan 9, 2008 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

totally. i think late '71 in particular is just awesome- especially the more rocking songs. great versions of cumberland, not fade, and other high-energy tunes at almost every show, plus some interesting moments on the more arty stuff like other one and dark star. underrated.

i rarely listen to cornell these days but when i do it is for the nfa jam. jerry really does goe deep into the twisted berserker blues licks. but other that that and maybe the dew i think it is overrated. i know this has all been discussed at length in the past so i won't beat the dead horse, but will add that the ridiculous amount of reverb on the recording may be partially responsible for it's appeal. it is very shiny.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 9, 2008 11:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

Ticketron? Holy cow. that brings back memories. Yeah, I have a few stubs from the mid 80's with that whopping 15.00 admission fee. And to see the bank people are shelling over to see hannah montana lip sync. Wow, I'm an old 37.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 9, 2008 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: gone are the days....

With the skyrocketing ticket prices for concerts these days (even for "kind" bands), can you imagine what Dead tics would be going for if Jerry were still with us and touring? Scary.

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